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Futuro Antico. Interview with Michelangelo Pistoletto
Feb 8, 2022
Marco Bassan
The interview series curated by Spazio Taverna this time features Michelangelo Pistoletto, invited to define the future.

Who are your artistic references?
My artistic references span from the moment people first began thinking creatively to the present day. As a creator of perspective, I cannot help but mention Piero della Francesca, particularly his Flagellation of Christ. For me, perspective is fundamental because it’s not just an artistic invention tied exclusively to the world of art, but rather something phenomenological.
It strongly and clearly defines the path of science, the scientific growth that leads to modernity. The history of perspective then moves through Mondrian, who brings it to a total closure, transitioning from drawings of trees to branches that become grids. Then comes Fontana, who attempts to pierce the wall of the White Cube to see if a new type of perspective can exist beyond this historical endpoint. My mirror paintings are a way of exploring whether it's possible to find a new perspective, where the hole is no longer through a traditional wall but through the mirror. You see everything that exists in front of your eyes, but at the same time, you also see what lies behind you.
Which work best represents you, and what is its origin?
Certainly, the mirror painting I just mentioned. It’s not just a single work but a project that continues over time. It began in 1961 with the first black canvases that reflect both the artist and the viewer, then evolved in 1962 into reflective surfaces with fixed images that mirror life as it exists and manifests. In this work, the reflective surface creates a reversed perspective, an upside-down one. The work is no longer an expression of the artist but becomes phenomenological. The reflection in the painting immediately tells, without human intervention, what existence is in its ongoing production—a space-time that becomes the essential element. The origin of the work lies in the evolution of my understanding of matter, influenced by contemporary artists like Pollock and Burri, who sought to enhance matter. I, on the other hand, decided to do the opposite: I flattened matter to the point of making it disappear, and in fact, the mirror is the disappearance of matter. Matter no longer represents itself, but only what stands in front of it—a truthful, mirrored element of reality.

What importance does the concept of Genius Loci have for you?
For me, the primary Genius Loci is Cittadellarte, the foundation I established in Biella, my hometown. Although it was founded due to a series of coincidences, the idea was to create a work that engages the city's community. From Biella, extraordinary opportunities have emerged, allowing interaction with the world beyond this territory, reaching global borders. The Genius Loci becomes significant when you can globalize the territory you feel closest to.
How important is the past in imagining and building the future? Do you believe the future can have an ancient heart?
When I talk about the double perspective in my mirror paintings, I am visually showing everything that is behind me. While in the past, the mirror represented either the impossibility of entering the virtuality of the work or a place of unreality and fantasy, in my work, the mirror is phenomenological in a scientific sense. If you take a step back by one meter, you enter the mirror by one meter; if you step back by ten meters, you enter by ten meters; if you stand a kilometer away, you enter the mirror by a kilometer... it’s like having eyes in the back of your head! If you go back infinitely, you walk toward the future and enter into a "specular phenomenology" where the future and the past intersect in the present—a point where infinity opens up in both directions, toward the past and toward the future.
What advice would you give to a young person wanting to follow in your footsteps?
I believe that the path of art is fundamental in our time; it’s essential for reopening a path that, due to modernity, has reached an extreme point. Developing creativity is crucial, not only within the field of art but in all human activities. People, besides being creative, must also be creators: they should use their creative ability to make something in the world, acting with the awareness that every time we act in the world, we are creating something. In politics, economics, and social organization, we create continuously, but we must do so with a profound understanding of this awareness. We must recognize that through our actions, we have the ability to create a new world, distinct from the one we have created recently. We have focused on creating a world that is radically deteriorating nature, to the point that we are desertifying areas of the planet with our speculative, logical-scientific abilities. To achieve a balance of ecology and sustainability with the surrounding nature, we need a new creative ability that encompasses a new sense of responsibility. A young person wanting to pursue art should become a specialist in this ability to activate the world and move toward the future in a new way. Artists must become the masters of change.

In an era defined by post-truth, does the concept of the sacred still hold strength?
When we talk about post-truth, we refer to the kind of truth posed by religion as a connecting element. Unfortunately, this truth cannot be verified—we can rely on stories and the truths they convey, but we can no longer speak of an ultimate truth about existence. With the need to investigate the unknown, science has gradually replaced religion. To verify contains the word “truth,” and this is why we can rely on science, which verifies every step of what it declares. The path of verification includes a concept of truth that phenomenologically leads to the real. In this new context, art is essential because it is the artistic dynamic that breathes life into both imagination, which was once religiously transcendent, and into today’s immanent spiritual concept. The word "sacred" is a bit dangerous because it makes us think of sacrifice, and that’s what Christianity used to unite people. People need something to unite them, and religion (from religare) means to bind, but we must be careful not to let it become something else: relegare—that is, to close off into defined paradigms that are often opposed to each other. As artists, we want to move beyond religious wars and work toward a responsible future. The word "sacred" can make sense if we think of it as the element that unites the physical with the metaphysical. Art is metaphysical because it doesn’t stop at thought, but moves us beyond reality only to bring us back to it. For instance, in the mirror painting, we no longer have the gold of icons (which spoke of transcendence and suggested something extraordinarily distant). Instead, we have a surface that cannot lie, distort, or change meaning. The mirror painting reveals the truth about things—not the ultimate truth, but the truth of continuous change and the ongoing relationships of changing things. We must embrace the extraordinary freedom that modernity has granted to the artist. But this freedom and autonomy must also connect with the concept of common freedom. There must be an interpersonal connection that creates society—this is crucial because no man stands alone, and individuals must connect with others to build a society that is artistically and scientifically linked to a new way of thinking.
How do you imagine the future? Could you give us three ideas that you believe will guide the coming years?
I would gather the three ideas into one: investment. We must invest in three essential elements: cultural investment, economic investment, and socio-political investment. We are talking about a necessary radical change, but we cannot cut off the returns from the investments made thus far because that would ruin millions of people. However, we must start making different economic and cultural investments that foresee a potential return in the future. We need to start imagining investments that, instead of damaging the planet, heal it. Profit doesn’t need to change; it just needs to improve, meaning it should become broader—not just economically but also culturally and socially on a planetary level. The virus teaches us that there’s nothing today that cannot become immediately planetary. We cannot think that part of humanity is dying of hunger while another part can afford to destroy it. The desertification of certain parts of the world affects us because it causes the migrations we experience from those countries. While we have defended ourselves from the threats nature creates, now we must defend ourselves from the problems we have created ourselves. My advice is to protect ourselves, but to do so by imagining humanity and nature as if they were one body.